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Post by elkguide on Jan 18, 2017 16:41:10 GMT -5
So you don't like BE arrows? I was going to give them a try Didn't say that. But I'll never shoot a carnivore again and I wouldn't shoot the components that come with a carnivore or rampage. They are not quality components. The nocks on higher performance bows will not hold up. You'll find they will start to become very loose on the string to the point they'll fall off during the draw. So there's that. I didn't have issues with the shaft themselves on the rampages. I just wouldn't list an arrow as top end that has had some of the issues they've had and that aside I couldn't list one top when you have to upgrade components. Top end arrows should come with top end components. I'd recommend a better plasma cutter to cut your string slot in the rebar you use with the "ROID" whack!
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Post by whack on Jan 18, 2017 16:55:53 GMT -5
lol I've battle tested fmj's way more than the average archer. Toughest arrow I have found period. They are the only ones that make sensible hunting weights
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Post by elkguide on Jan 18, 2017 17:04:03 GMT -5
lol I've battle tested fmj's way more than the average archer. Toughest arrow I have found period. They are the only ones that make sensible hunting weights And those were way tougher battles than anyone else's arrows ever fight!
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Post by kicker338 on Jan 18, 2017 17:44:37 GMT -5
We keep going round and round looking for the holy grail in arrows, but Easton FMJ are in my opinion still the best for a hunting arrow. Wont argue with that, when I got back into archery a few yrs. ago, I started with cabalas arrows. Went the diff. arrow rout for awhile then returned to cabalas brand, which if I'm not mistaken are Easton. Easy to get for me and to be honest they shoot as good as anything I've tried so i'm done trying anything else. Prefer to spend my time enjoying shooting not testing.
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Post by enkriss on Jan 18, 2017 17:50:42 GMT -5
I personally like 5mm original FMJs I think they are some of the best arrows on the market. I havent bent one unless a deer fell on it.
The 6mm I dont really like. I have not bent one but I just dont think are nearly as consistent as the originals.
The 4mm injexion ones I tried... yea they bent...
As far as BE arrows I am not impressed. I have been using the rampage for a while. I have had atleat 6 crack on the nock end. I have about 2 dozen 300 spine I may be selling soon...or trade for some 5mm FMJs..😜
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Post by enkriss on Jan 18, 2017 18:11:45 GMT -5
So Jerry...... 3 fletch or 4 fletch? Well this is an interesting thing. I get calls all the time about this, most say I am shooting blazers 3 fletched but want to try mini blazers 4 fletched. I tell them you gain nothing. In order for 4 fletch to show improvements you have to use vanes that add surface arrows aka drag. So if you are using blazers and want to try 4 fletch go with 4 blazers etc. The only thing you get by going to a smaller 4 fletched arrow that looks cool but likely does not guide broad heads as well as the fletched you used to us. I was thinking about trying 4 regular blazers again. This time I am thinking about fletching them about 3-4" down the shaft so they dont weird me out trying to anchor at full draw. I am thinking it should work well. What are your opinions on helical? Do you think there is a point it is to much? Like the bohning helix jig? Is there really an advantage to helical vs straight fletch? I have always been a fan of the more helical the better but the last batch I did with the helix jig I noticed when shooting at 100 yards my arrows looked to cork screw the last 20 yards or so and were impacting for the most part low and to the right. Mean while the site tape was on the money from 20 to 60 yards...
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Post by dreamrider on Jan 18, 2017 18:26:29 GMT -5
What a great topic, and very constructive. However when getting into an in depth topic, it quickly becomes obvious what suits one, does not necessarily suit all.
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Post by whack on Jan 18, 2017 19:47:07 GMT -5
Didn't say that. But I'll never shoot a carnivore again and I wouldn't shoot the components that come with a carnivore or rampage. They are not quality components. The nocks on higher performance bows will not hold up. You'll find they will start to become very loose on the string to the point they'll fall off during the draw. So there's that. I didn't have issues with the shaft themselves on the rampages. I just wouldn't list an arrow as top end that has had some of the issues they've had and that aside I couldn't list one top when you have to upgrade components. Top end arrows should come with top end components. I'd recommend a better plasma cutter to cut your string slot in the rebar you use with the "ROID" whack! Wasn't even talking about the roid. They have had issues with just 70lb speed bows and their nocks. I was never brave enough to let a bea anywhere near the roid.
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Post by killermidget on Jan 18, 2017 20:05:17 GMT -5
When researching the new fmj shafts I found an interesting fact. If you look at the gpi of each shaft some questions arise. First Ill list the gpi of each diameter, all in the 400 range (the 6mm is listed at 390) 4mm 9.8 gpi 5mm 10.2 gpi 6mm 9.7 gpi The largest diameter shaft is the lightest, the smallest diameter is heavier than the largest, the middle size is the heaviest. The only way to explain the weight differences is wall thickness..........I understand that the weight differences are not big, but when you factor in the diameter/weight difference it becomes apparent to me which shaft should be tougher. I havent shot any of the 6mm, but I have several dozen of the 5mm and 4mm and have never bent a single shaft. What the heck are you guys doing to them? LOL
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Post by enkriss on Jan 18, 2017 20:14:43 GMT -5
When researching the new fmj shafts I found an interesting fact. If you look at the gpi of each shaft some questions arise. First Ill list the gpi of each diameter, all in the 400 range (the 6mm is listed at 390) 4mm 9.8 gpi 5mm 10.2 gpi 6mm 9.7 gpi The largest diameter shaft is the lightest, the smallest diameter is heavier than the largest, the middle size is the heaviest. The only way to explain the weight differences is wall thickness..........I understand that the weight differences are not big, but when you factor in the diameter/weight difference it becomes apparent to me which shaft should be tougher. The 6mm have the thinnest wall thickness I tell you that for sure. The injexion might have the thickest but they do bend easiest. This is a 330 4mm 300 5mm 320 6mm
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Post by killermidget on Jan 18, 2017 20:21:29 GMT -5
When researching the new fmj shafts I found an interesting fact. If you look at the gpi of each shaft some questions arise. First Ill list the gpi of each diameter, all in the 400 range (the 6mm is listed at 390) 4mm 9.8 gpi 5mm 10.2 gpi 6mm 9.7 gpi The largest diameter shaft is the lightest, the smallest diameter is heavier than the largest, the middle size is the heaviest. The only way to explain the weight differences is wall thickness..........I understand that the weight differences are not big, but when you factor in the diameter/weight difference it becomes apparent to me which shaft should be tougher. The 6mm have the thinnest wall thickness I tell you that for sure. The injexion might have the thickest but they do bend easiest. This is a 330 4mm 300 5mm 320 6mm So, you would most likely agree with my assessment that the 5mm gives you the best shaft for the buck.......? Thanks for the pic!!
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Post by enkriss on Jan 18, 2017 20:23:24 GMT -5
The 6mm have the thinnest wall thickness I tell you that for sure. The injexion might have the thickest but they do bend easiest. This is a 330 4mm 300 5mm 320 6mm So, you would most likely agree with my assessment that the 5mm gives you the best shaft for the buck.......? Yea I think so even though the 6mm shaft is cheaper I do not think its of the same quality.
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Post by trial153 on Jan 18, 2017 20:24:58 GMT -5
Save your self they headache and shoot ACC's ....
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Post by killermidget on Jan 18, 2017 20:28:38 GMT -5
So, you would most likely agree with my assessment that the 5mm gives you the best shaft for the buck.......? Yea I think so even though the 6mm shaft is cheaper I do not think its of the same quality. Yep, if you look at the prices, the smaller the shaft the higher the price...... I really like the 4mm, but I can buy 5mm for $119/ dozen and the 4mm cost me $159/ dozen. And it seems like the 5mm are easier to tune to. I dont understand that part of the equation but it has become very apparent.
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Post by trial153 on Jan 18, 2017 20:30:42 GMT -5
Yea I think so even though the 6mm shaft is cheaper I do not think its of the same quality. Yep, if you look at the prices, the smaller the shaft the higher the price...... I really like the 4mm, but I can buy 5mm for $119/ dozen and the 4mm cost me $159/ dozen. And it seems like the 5mm are easier to tune to. I dont understand that part of the equation but it has become very apparent. Stop being so cheap!! What are you going to do with all your money anyway! It's not like Lanny lives around the block and your stuck buying him lunch everyday!!
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Post by killermidget on Jan 18, 2017 20:33:19 GMT -5
Yep, if you look at the prices, the smaller the shaft the higher the price...... I really like the 4mm, but I can buy 5mm for $119/ dozen and the 4mm cost me $159/ dozen. And it seems like the 5mm are easier to tune to. I dont understand that part of the equation but it has become very apparent. Stop being so cheap!! What are you going to do with all your money anyway! It's not like Lanny lives around the block and your stuck buying him lunch everyday!! Yessir! That is a good thing. If I had to buy Lanny's lunch everyday I wouldnt be able to afford any arrows at all, no matter the brand. That "gluten free" stuff is expensive!!
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Post by southshorerat on Jan 18, 2017 20:38:48 GMT -5
Lol ok but I haven't went out and looked for other folks that have had the same issue just ran across it. That's odd though when I contacted them they asked what inserts came with the arrows. I told them. They said hmm I thought we had this problem fixed. Appears they were aware of issues also. I must have been lucky and didnt get any of that arrow. We havent had any insert issues other than we were geting some inconsistent weight at one time.
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Post by killermidget on Jan 18, 2017 20:42:57 GMT -5
My apologies for getting off track with the gluten thing.....
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Post by dreamrider on Jan 18, 2017 21:24:32 GMT -5
Save your self they headache and shoot ACC's .... I love ACC however the drawback with them is the carbon outer layer (FMJ has alloy outer) When shooting into my material packed bale target the material seems to burn onto the carbon and is darn annoying having to remove it between rounds. One of the reasons i stay away from carbon arrows.
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Post by enkriss on Jan 18, 2017 21:44:27 GMT -5
Save your self they headache and shoot ACC's .... I love ACC however the drawback with them is the carbon outer layer (FMJ has alloy outer) When shooting into my material packed bale target the material seems to burn onto the carbon and is darn annoying having to remove it between rounds. One of the reasons i stay away from carbon arrows. The aluminum jacket makes them many times easier to pull from the target. Not to mention if you shoot groups and you smack a carbon arrow there is that risk of getting some wonderful carbon splinters in your hand that feel so lovely when pulling them from targets.
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